Found 3 fleas on Bentley after he was imported from Czech Republic. 10 week old French Bulldog. I have Std Poodles in LONG coat. You end up with fleas in them, their coats are so thick, you’ll never rid yourself of them. I havent had fleas in at least 6 yrs or more.  I hate using drugs but I did as I wasnt going to shave my Spoos down with a 10 blade.

Ortho Tree & Shrub is the same active ingredient as Advantage or Advantix topical. The active ingredient is  imidacloprid at 9.1% in both those products. It the same active ingredient in the Ortho Max Tree and Shrub but Ortho is only 1.47% Imidacloprid. Advantage and Advantix is 6.19x stronger. If you take the dosages shown and multiply them by 6.19 this is the result for dosing with Ortho Tree & Shrub.

Advantage / Ortho Max Tree & Shrub

0.4 ml (for dogs under 10 pounds) Ortho Dose 2.476ml

1 ml (for dogs 11 to 20 pounds) Ortho Dose 6.19ml

2.5 ml (for dogs 21 to 55 pounds) Othro Dose 15.47

6ml4 ml (for dogs over 55 pounds) Ortho Dose 24.76ml

I put 1 CC on Bentley (1/3 of the reccommended dose as I was leary to use the full dose as he’s so tiny at 4#s) Within 3 hours of application of Ortho, I found one flea that was half dead on Bentley.  I picked it off, held on my finger and it didnt try to move anything but its legs while on its back. Almost like its body was paralized so I cut it in half. Ortho does work and Ive used it on rescues dogs many times.

When I have a rescue that has visible fleas, I put the Ortho on the dog outside, way away from the house, tie the dog up somewhere for a few hours so those fleas do not jump off inside your house.

Bentley did get panting for about an hour (about 5 hours after application) and it was only 70 degrees in here. So I washed it all off his coat and problem solved. I will watch for eggs to hatch daily with a flea comb and coat him with dawn dish soap to kill any new fleas.

Here are some Q&A’s from members of our CC co-op on using this product:

Q: Kathy W: So how did you apply it? Does it absorb systemically like Frontline?

A: I use a syringe down the back of the dog. I make several spots on the big dogs down to the tail. Put some on, rub to the skin with syringe tip. Move a space down and apply again until the proper dose is applied. I dont know if it absorbs as once I rinsed Bent off, he stopped panting about 10 mins later.

Q: Jerrie: Why not use diatomaceous earth?

A: Jerrie: on a brachycephalic puppy chewing on themselves (nose planted right into the skin/fur) until it worked, if it did work? I would have more worries about him inhaling it down into his lungs and causing way more issues.

Q: Debby D: Supposedly Advantage II for Cats is exactly the same as for Dogs, just in different doses. Can this be used on cats? This year is the first time ever I have had fleas and I bought DE with Neem and various other natural stuff but it isn’t working. It stops the itching for a day or so and then they are right back to it. And I’m afraid of Bronson inhaling DE with his lung problems.

A: The Advantage II has 2 drugs in it. (Imidacloprid and Pyriproxyfen) but the dose is the same.

Cats up to 9 pounds – 0.4ml of Advantage- Ortho is 2.76ML

Cats 10+ pounds – 0.8ml of Advantage – Ortho would be 5.5 ML

Myself, I would not use that much on a cat over 10#s but choice is yours. I did Bentley at 1/3 of the recommended dose and it did its job. Bent is right around 5#s and I gave him 1ml Now for the dogs I dont worry so much but used 15ml for everyone from 50#s to 130#s and it seemed to work too. As I didnt feel comfortable using 25ml’s on my Dobes.

Make sure you only get the Ortho Tree & shrub that has ONE active ingredient which is Imidacloprid.  DO NOT GET IT if there is fertlizer in it like Bayer company has done. As Bayer makes both Advantage and Advantix and they also make a tree & shrub but now have added ferts to it as people were using it for fleas.

Q: Aleksandra: My relatives had dogs and cats when i was growing up (I grew up in Russia and lived there until I was 28 years old). All animals had fleas and no one thought it was a big deal. When Teddy had fleas for the first time: before raw and in the middle of awarm winter, I was pretty causal about it, but my husband told me that we would get fleas in the house. Back in Russia we never had fleas in the house, although all our animals had fleas and some of them slept in bed. I know this might sounds pretty ignorant, but pets go back and forth between the house and the outside as do insects. Have you actually dealt with a house getting infested with fleas? Getting rid of fleas on a pet is not very hard and yes I would do it, of course, but if you think of big picture, getting the yard and the house infested and then keeping fleas away from coming back, etc. This sounds pretty big deal with lots of chemicals and effort involved.

A: Debby D: Actually I do agree with you that fleas are just a nuisance and no big deal. Unless you have a dog that is allergic to them. I haven’t been bit. Initially I thought it was an allergy because I had just introduced duck carcasses and didn’t find any fleas on them. But now my cats are scratching too and I haven’t done anything different with them. Anyway long story long here are some facts on fleas, what they do not carry, etc. for people to make up their minds if it is worth using pesticides or not. I tried the DE and it did work (for 2 days) but the eggs are in the carpet and when new ones hatch you have new fleas and I can’t keep exposing Bronson to the dust. If anyone knows a natural solution that WORKS longterm for cats and dogs (tea tree is poisonous to cats I’ve read) please let me know, I’d rather not use chemicals. http://www.richsoil.com/flea-control.jsp

A2: Carnivore Carryout’com SIDE NOTE HERE~~~ Taking a chance on your pets ingesting fleas is very high. Ingested fleas then turn into tapeworm, which not only makes a pet very ill , but breaks down their immune system and can kill you pet. They are also transferable to humans. So to me using a chemical to rid the entire house of fleas one time is better than the outcome of tapes. JMO

Q: Debby D: Question Carnivore Carryout’com – Are you saying all fleas turn into tapeworms or some carry the eggs or larvae?

A: Here is a great explanation of how the life cycle of fleas and tapeworms work.

Disclaimer: The suggestions in this post are based on experience and research. They are not meant to replace proper veterinary care. Carnivore Carry Out assumes no responsibility or liability for the use of the information in this post, as it is provided as a general resource and we are unable to monitor its use with all readers. If you have any concerns about your pet’s health, please contact your holistic veterinarian or other competent professional.

Starting Your Dog On Raw Diet
 
Starting with chicken as a first protein is best, because chicken bones are very soft and easy to digest. Purchase either chicken thighs or chicken leg quarters. Remember to check the bag to make sure there are no enhancements added. i.e.  Sodium is not over 100mg per 4 oz (120g) serving. As a general rule start your pet on 2-3% of ideal adult body weight per day. Feel your dog down the back, ribs and hips to make sure you can feel thin covering of flesh and muscle. If they feel a bit bony, add more meat. If they are getting plump, decrease the meat intake. Do not over feed your dog. This will not only cause loose stools, but the possibility of them throwing up their meal within 30 minutes. If this happens, they will want to eat it again. Walk away and let them. That is natural dog behavior.

When starting puppies, their raw intake should be split into several meals. A puppy can be weaned on raw starting at 4 weeks of age. Feed 4-5 meals a day until approximately 16 weeks. At this point, you can cut the meals down to 3 times a day. At 6 months of age you can cut them down to 2 meals a day. If you find between the 2 feedings your dog is getting the bile pukes, give them a few ginger snaps to settle their stomach until meal time. After they’re a year old, you can feed one meal per day. Again, if he starts with the bile pukes you can always go back to feeding 2 times a day. If feeding 2 times a day fits into your schedule, by all means feed him as such. There is no such rule your dog must be fed only once per day. Feeding once a day can take some time to accomplish. Meat and bone digest very rapidly, within 4-6 hours. So a dog being fed once a day has an empty stomach for long periods of time. Thus the bile pukes will happen.

By 6-8 weeks of age, a pup can handle chicken bone very easy. If you find your new puppy or older dog cannot get the gist of eating raw, you can use a fork and score the meat so bits are easily grabbed with the teeth and pulled off.  We suggest when starting a dog to raw diet; you keep them on each protein for a period of 2 weeks. This gives you the chance to see how they are adjusting and also if there will be an allergy break out. If your dog starts scratching, licking himself constantly, sucking or chewing on their feet and legs, this is a sure sign they are not tolerating that protein. And you try another. If this is the case, I would then try turkey as a second meat. If not, then get them on a red meat. Venison or pork as the bone is softer than beef bones. Take a few days to add the red meat to their first meat a bit at a time. And adding a tad more each day until his full feeding portion is the new or 2nd protein. Feed for 2 weeks and move onto the next protein. Those could be duck, rabbit, lamb, goat, beef, kanga, emu, fish, elk, and moose.  Just watch if you are purchasing from the grocery store for the added enhancements.

There are many different raw diets posted all over the internet. Prey model and BARF to name a few. But if you do your research on a wolf’s diet it consists of meat, muscle meat, organ and bone. They do not eat the stomach contents or plant matter found in the stomach. They will shake out the contents and eat the intestines/tripe. Plant matter is not digesting in carnivores unless it is pureed or cooked. And there are limits to how much absorption does occur. Fruits are natural sugar that carnivores do not require. So it is our opinion that vegetables, fruits and grains are only fillers. So try to stick strictly to a diet of 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organ meat. With 5% of the organ meat is liver. This is a must. Liver provides necessary vitamins that your dog needs.  If you have trouble getting them to eat liver, you can try to feed it sliced and frozen, ground up in your blender and added with another ground meat or sear it in a hot fry pan quickly on each side then sprinkle with grated parmesan cheese. Let cool and serve. It’s usually the texture that dogs don’t care for more so than the taste.  Heart, Tongue and Gizzards are fed as muscle meat. Brains, eye’s, spleen, liver, kidney, and pancreas are fed as organs.

Feeding organs will loosen the stool. We always feed organs with a bony meal of chicken backs, duck or chicken necks or ribs. In the beginning, you might find you have to feed bone with every meal to keep the stools firm. You’ll learn to adjust it as time passes. And try to get the bone content down over a period of time. Never feed weight bearing bones. Those are the legs of cattle, deer, elk, emu, soup bones, knuckle bones, and femur bones.  Chicken, duck, calf, lamb, feeder pigs and turkey legs are fine. As the animals are processed for the table at a very young age and the bones are still soft. You can break a tooth or end up with a fracture or slab fracture. So it is just not worth the risk

For supplements, especially if you are purchasing store bought meats. As most are corn fed and finished. Or being fed GMO grains. The quality of most supermarket meats are USDA commercial or standards cuts. If you’re lucky they, “might” possibly be select. I will suggest kelp powder and alfalfa powder. They are good immune builders and are a power house of vitamins. 

Also to make sure you have the Omega 3 and Omega 6 ratios balanced, we use Grizzly Salmon Oil. It’s all natural and does not contain Soy like most brands do. Soy is a major cause of allergies. If you put it on your wish list at Amazon.com, when it goes on sale, they’ll alert you via email. Make sure if you purchase a large bottle to save money, you store it in the fridge. Anything larger then what you use in 2 months’ time, freeze in small containers or it will go rancid. Here is a link to what we use from Amazon 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ABR6E/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0002ABR6E&linkCode=as2&tag=carcarout-20